June 2008


Something that I want to do on occasion I want to look at people’s comments on my posts and I want to share my thoughts on them.

Regarding – Gospel of Christ vs. gospel of war: Definitions

Scott: “This is really well thought out. Good work, dude.” – Thank you sir, it means a lot to read a compliment every now and then.

Henry (this is a portion of his comment): “An action is violent when it intentionally does something that denies the image of God present in a person.

“I like this definition because it stresses the intentionality of violence and bypasses the physicality hang-up that most people have.

“What do you think?” – This definition does not make a lot of sense to me. I might be confused with this definition because if somebody is acting violently toward another, they may not be ‘intentionally’ denying the image of God in a person. How can you intentionally deny the image of God in somebody? What exactly does that mean?

Regarding – Being A Pacifist: What About Jesus?

Henry (again, this is a clip of his comment): ” If I drive out people from their place of business with a whip, violence is likely being done.” – When I brought up this instance with Jake, he mentioned that in one of the Gospels it says that Jesus went into the temple the day before. He returned the next day that He acted in this manner. He did not do it in a blind, vindictive rage; He did it with some thought behind it. I assume people could say that current terrorists stop and think before they conduct mass death and/or violence. Within the context of that counter – How is Jesus different than contemporary terrorists?

One of the strongest arguments against Christian pacifism is the actions of God in the Old Testament.  When I start to see that, I become perplexed at how to address it.  I would raise up some New Testament verses that talk about the situation… but I am lost for words really.  It does not affect me being a pacifist… but I am still left wondering.  Any thoughts that come to mind or verses that may help me out?

Something else that I want to look is the Old Testament in general.  It would seem that Christians can rattle off things from the New Testament rather quickly… but how does the Old Testament factor in?  We don’t really go by a lot of the laws in Leviticus any longer… is the Old Testament simply history of God’s people, Israel?  If it is not, then how should Christians utilize the Old Testament within the context of the New Testament?

After reading through the Old Testament, some people could say that God is okay with killing. But… Jesus never said that it was okay to kill others and He often referenced Old Testament teachings to build upon this idea.

One of the most well known verses from the book of Exodus is from the middle of the Ten Commandments that says: “You shall not murder.” Is that a commandment that no longer holds weight today? Jesus never said anything contrary to any of the commandments. From Matthew, here is a portion of the Sermon on the Mount:

“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished… You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’ But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles… You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you…” (Matthew 5:17-18, 38-41, 43-44).

Christ never did anything contrary to the Ten Commandments, nor other Old Testament scriptures that relate. He never killed anyone, nor did He ever hurt anyone. One of the only “violent” acts was when He cleared the temple. But did He hurt anyone? He had a lot of rage going on there (at least that is how I read the text), but He never hurt anyone (possibly their pride, but not a person).

One of the contemporary definitions for Christian is “little Christ.” Personally, I take that to mean that we are to be imitators of Christ and what He did and live according to what He taught. He never gave into the temptations of Satan, He does have us beat there, but we can put up a fight so the temptation does not become sin. He made disciples out of ordinary people, we are called to do the same. How can we fight and kill if Christ never did? If we are to be true imitators of Jesus, then shouldn’t this be one of the areas we live out Christ’s teachings?

One of the greatest things about living in the United States is that we have different freedoms that our founding fathers helped establish for us today. I am not going to ignore that fact, especially since we are moving further and further toward the Presidential election in November. One of the driving factors for the expected debates between McCain and Obama will most likely be the war in Iraq. When the United States government was talking about going to war I was against it then. It never made sense to me to invade a country thousands of miles away to do what? To rid it of “weapons of mass destruction.” That does not jive to well with me, especially now since they found the materials to make the WMDs., but (to the best of my knowledge) they never actually found WMDs.

I say all that to bring up a thought… I think I have to agree more with pacifists than non-pacifists. To see it within the context of the Christian religion, pacifism fits more with the teachings of Christ than really anything else. He died on a cross, but never rose a protest or put up a fight. When Peter chopped the guy’s ear upon Jesus’ arrest, Christ fixed the situation. He did not applaud Peter, actually, He did not seem to happy about what Peter did.

After hearing that a couple of my friends were pacifists, I wanted to hear what they believed. I did not go into it with my mind set that on other side of the conversations that I was going to be a pacifist. I started asking questions of what people believed. When I first started doing it I did not know what to expect. I really wanted to know what people thought on the subject, I do not often listen to both sides of an argument, even though I should. The more and more I pushed the subject, the more and more I began to examine it within the teachings of Christ. What I am about to say within the context of this post could make you mad at me, but I want you to approach what I have to say with an open mind.

You have heard that it was said, ‘AN EYE FOR AN EYE, AND A TOOTH FOR A TOOTH.’ But I say to you, do not resist an evil person; but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also. If anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, let him have your coat also. Whoever forces you to go one mile, go with him two. Give to him who asks of you, and do not turn away from him who wants to borrow from you.

You have heard that it was said, ‘YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR and hate your enemy.’ But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? If you greet only your brothers, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same? Therefore you are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.” – Matthew 5:38-48, NASB

If possible, so far as it depends on you, be at peace with all men. Never take your own revenge, beloved, but leave room for the wrath of God, for it is written, “VENGEANCE IS MINE, I WILL REPAY,” says the Lord. “BUT IF YOUR ENEMY IS HUNGRY, FEED HIM, AND IF HE IS THIRSTY, GIVE HIM A DRINK; FOR IN SO DOING YOU WILL HEAP BURNING COALS ON HIS HEAD.” Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good. – Romans 12:18-21, NASB

I want to note that those verses from the Bible are a few of where I look to see that “redemptive violence” (which is something that I wrestled with immensely) did not fit into what Christ taught. I want the record to show that I feel that Christ did not teach people to be passive, but He did not teach that people should hit back either.

There are ways out of situations that are not violent, but it seems to me that as Americans we view violence as the only way of escape. But as Christians, we are called to let Jesus be our King, not some middle-aged man near the Atlantic Coast. I’m tired of feeling like the President has all the power in the world, funny thing is… he is just there to make sure that everything does not “go to pot.” If we truly believe that Christ is King of Kings, then we should not view the President as the most important political leader to walk the face of the earth. Christ walked the earth… His Kingdom is not limited to 50 states, but to the whole world and beyond. I feel that if I truly believe that, then when Jesus was asked “who is my neighbor?” that the answer is everybody.

The point I want to make is that I do not view the President as my king, I view him as a person that is suppose to live out what he believes. A lot of the Presidents have been “Christians,” but it pains me to think that if that is what the world views as Christian… then I do not want that Christianity. I want a Christianity that is based upon the Bible. It may not always agree with “the best interest of the country,” but I am personally okay with that. I feel Christ said it best to Pilate upon His death, “My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jews. But now my kingdom is from another place.” – John 18:36, NIV

After a decent amount of thought, I have come to the conclusion that when people see American Christians, that they get a mixed message at times. They hear the message that we should all “love our neighbor as ourself” and “love our enemies.” Yet, soon after September 11, 2001 a lot of Americans wanted Osama Bin Laden dead. What kind of message does that send to non-Christians? I am tired of this… I am tired of being classified an American Christian, I want to be known as a Christian that is currently living in America.

Give Jesus back His Christianity and stop expecting the President to tell you what to think. Christ did not teach easy stuff grant you (He even lost disciples because of His teachings), but He did teach what the Christian walk is suppose to look like. If it had to be boiled down to a few words, I would have to pick the following: grace, forgiveness, and love.

Loving people instead of hating them is almost “un-American” and as I stated before… I am okay with that. I am far from perfect (I feel the only perfect person was Christ), but I am trying. I am trying to “practice what I preach,” but it is not going to be easy. Christ never said following Him would be easy!

One objection that seems to come toward pacifism is: What about Hitler? I like what JR. said during a conversation about pacifism: “In the modern setting, we cannot make an informed decision since he is not alive right now.” (That is of course a paraphrase since my memory does not remember exact quotes, but it has the same overall idea.)

If the above statement makes me a pacifist… so be it.

The following is from desiringgod.org:

Pacifism Is Harmful

To let someone murder when it is in your power to stop them is completely contrary to our moral sentiments. If a Hitler is on the move and seeking to bind the world in tyranny and destroy entire ethnic groups, it would seem very clearly wrong not to oppose him with force. It is true that war itself is harmful and tragic; but pacifism would result in even more harm to the world because it would give wicked people virtually free reign. We of course must be open to letting the Bible transform our moral sentiments, but this observation should at least cause us to pause and reflect more deeply before concluding that Jesus is intending to teach pacifism.

That paragraph was from a paper entitled “Did Jesus Teach Pacifism?” For those people that may not know, Desiring God Ministries is John Piper’s ministry and you can read more of the article at the link provided below:

http://www.desiringgod.org/resourcelibrary/topicindex/114_War/1450_Did_Jesus_teach_pacifism/

I really want to focus on this paragraph for a second. It seems to me that the person or people that wrote this article seem to have confused pacifism with passivism. From how I understand passivism, it would be the act of doing nothing no matter what the circumstances are, and in my past post I defined pacifism as creative non-violence (which would allow somebody to do something, just not acting in a violent manner). I can see the confusion due to the words being alike, but thier definitions are not the same.

Here is a question that I want to ask of anybody: If Jesus did not teach pacifism, where in the New Testament does it quote Jesus saying that fighting is okay?

I recently finished the book Jesus For President and it has inspired me to write about a wide variety of topics and where I stand on the issues it addresses.

Lately a lot of subjects seem a little taboo to talk about indepth with people. A few examples are gay rights, politics, and the progressively touchy issue of violence and its counter pacifism. It is the last one that I want to talk about in this post. I am not going to be posting a long post this time, but I want to start with some definitions so that way when I address the following words later on you know how I am defining them.

War: A conflict between two or more groups of people with physical force used to kill or harm the opposing side

Violence: Inflicting physical force to injure or abuse another person

Pacifism: Creative non-violence (thanks to JR. for that defintion)

Pacifist: A person that solves disputes in creative non-violent ways

Passive: Receiving either harm or threat without resistance

Gospel of Christ: The Good News, as found in The Gospels of the Bible: Where Christ laid down His life to show God’s love

gospel of war: the belief that war is used to bring peace and freedom to the oppressed

That’s all the words and phrases I can think of at the moment, but if more arise then I will define them as they come.